Thank you so much for this article Brian!!! , but want to make sure all your international royalties are being credited. Hi Brian, Your article is super informative but i have like a series of questions i’m hoping you can help with to help me make my decision if Songtrust is best for me. Is there something i have to do first? Thanks! They are really just to let you know that the song is on Spotify. They have not responded to this. My pleasure! Imagine my shock when I logged in a few months later and saw a NEGATIVE BALANCE of $305.05!!!!!!!!! But the avenue I’m looking to, eventually, go down is music libraries. How will I know I’m collecting the royalties that I deserve? More importantly, I don’t trust DistroKid to be around in five years. I’ve just read through this entire thread dating back years ago. You may know this by now, but DistroKid can do this for you. I’ll do my best, but keep in mind I wrote this article three years ago and haven’t made a point of keeping up. I have learned that publishing is where the money comes in as far as the music industry is concerned. It sounds like you haven’t released a lot of material. Hopefully they’ve upped their support game since! Wow, thank you so much for writing this article! Of course if a coffee shop has the AM/FM radio playing, and if you’re with ASCAP, you (most likely) won’t get paid when your song is played there, because ASCAP most likely won’t be conducting a survey of that radio station at that exact moment, but if the shop has Pandora or SiriusXM on (or other piped-in Muzak services), this is tracked and you will (eventually) get paid on the plays. If you have any kind of substantial streams, it quickly becomes more cost-effective to use tunecore. If not, when so? Elligibility. Songtrust. In fact, since Songtrust takes a 15% commission, that $467 would’ve been $549 directly through ASCAP. We reached the limit on threading replies! Feel free to reach out at [email protected]. Hi Brian, Seems like a half dozen services I use offer it, like Repost Network, CD Baby, etc. Any chance that will be working again? If you know of any one that may help please let me know. Hey Brian, I’m confused by by the previous gentleman’s story. Or is Songtrust the go to? They have to pay people to listen, after all. Are your songs showing up as registered in the dashboard? All my releases are with CD Baby. Yes, you absolutely positively still need SoundExchange. If someone uses your music in their YouTube video, they catch it, put ads on it, and pay you. Out of your list, I’m with ASCAP and Songtrust only. I am an artist from Nigeria, i have released about 4 song and they are all available online for download and streaming, am also about to release another one. Hi JM – Thats a great question and something a lot of people get confused about. Best, I’m not sure exactly what you’re hoping to get out of DistroKid or Indigoboom (which I’ve never heard of). Do labels even have staff writers? CD Baby Pro partners with Songtrust. Hello Brian..how do i apply for songtrust..how much its the fee…it is for a year?, ppl can downliad the music like in i- tunes so you get paid…how it works?..i’d apreciate Brian if you could also reply back on a direct msg on hotmail please. You do need to be affiliated with a PRO in order to use Songtrust's service. Does anybody have information on kobalt or any experiences with them? like most of already do. I believe they have targeted the independent singer/songwriter that is still trying to make it to the big time. No conflict – that’s how Songtrust wants you to set it up! I hope this is accurate, and that Brian or someone will confirm or clarify if not. Also, he says that in the US the aggregator (like CD baby) pays the mechanical royalty. that may slip past Bmi or as cap. As a publishing administrator, we're authorized to register your works and collect money on your behalf - you still own and control 100% of your copyright. My understanding is that you need publishing administration to collect mechanical royalties on international Spotify streams. We classify this a “Micro sync” License or User Generated Content license(Very similar to how Youtube pays out). If not, what are you waiting for? They've got a weird stipulation "We have a 1-year minimum term. May not work for you, but it works great for me. It’s good you are making some money. This can make a big difference in some cases. Launched:1939 Membership Size:800,000 members Official site: BMI.com Socials: @BMI Location: USA About:BMI is one of the biggest and well known Performing Rights Organizations in the United States. On top of that Songtrust has a higher setup fee of 100$ (25$ higher than tunecore), a 15% cut (tunecore 10% & 20% for active) and while it seems with Songtrust you can only submit a maximum of 15 songs for the setup fee. Which brings me to my main question: What exactly is the relationship between Songtrust and HFA? Or, is Songtrust the only entity taking their percentage? ASCAP just uses the song title, they use ISRC codes, audio fingerprinting, metadata, and the song titles so they find more of my plays. I used the code without even reading the article and have since gone through and read it and am now wondering if I’ve made a mistake. If you’re not with a PRO already, Songtrust will help you get set up. I’m not a lawyer (I think you’re supposed to say that, right? . I’ve included a copy below. But thanks for the advice about submitting tracks directly with the library. Is the service at-will, meaning it can be cancelled at anytime, or is there an agreed upon contractual obligation that you have to keep them as your PA? Last I checked, Audiam and AdRev were YouTube Content ID collection services only. I’ve nagged them a few times over the years and always gotten a prompt response, usually through the pop-up on the site. I wouldn’t sign up with Songtrust just yet. I’m a songwriter and artist, and have recently set up my own corporation as publisher/label so that I can manage other artist as well as myself in the future. I have released a few songs, and have several more in the pipeline. They have got a way of making a lot of money. We have entered into a license with Facebook in the USA and have various licenses in other territories as well. I’ve been reading all of these comments, and responses. As for all the “grabbing hands,” it really depends on how you look at it. Thank you Brian, CJ, and Joe for the replies! I wouldn’t worry about the mix-up. Thanks again! CD Baby took money in full for the pro set-up but after many years, never paid out a single penny from the time I purchased. Well, from your PRO or your admin publisher. Their coverage overlaps. Thanks for the helpful info from your article. I suppose it would depend on what kind of publishing deal you got, but assuming they didn’t want to take over admin, and solely based on my own experience, yes, Songtrust would then be listed as admin publisher. I’m in the U.S., but I have a few songs getting streamed internationally (mainly Canada and the UK). At Songtrust, we have invested a lot of time and resources into developing working relationships with over 50 societies and pay sources around the world, so that whenever you have a stream, radio play, live performance etc somewhere in the world, if your song is registered with Songtrust, we can collect the royalties due to you. Worse, they can get a copyright claim after you told them it was okay to use the track. It will have to be done manually, so you’ll need to email [email protected]. Songtrust and TuneCore Publishing are publishing administrators. Publishing Companies: In order to collect your publisher’s share of royalties as an ASCAP member, you need to have an ASCAP publishing company (Becoming a Songtrust member will also allow you to collect your publisher’s share). And how do you collect this money? True I don’t make a lot of money on cdbaby but I have a lot of streams. See more. I’m here in London. I am not making any money or collecting any royalty but i know my song are definitely being downloaded and streamed online. Creators Songwriters, producers and creators collect royalties globally from your songs while keeping 100 percent of the rights. I did not have the knowledge of royalties some years back so had no contracts/split sheets signed. I’m registered as a writer in France with a PRO (SACEM) and registered as my own publisher in the US with ASCAP, so what will be the difference if i’ve join to songtrust? I hoped maybe Songtrust would dig some of that up. Many years ago, I saw a post on the Songtrust blog, breaking down the various royalties Spotify pays to songwriters. Because your quality, creativity, and digital presence certainly exceeds most independents. And, again, you have to import your setlists. I may drop Songtrust. that is not what I understand to be the case and that is why they promote their CD Baby Pro service. Good to know Kayda! I’m pretty sure you can use different publishing administrators for different regions, though I’m not sure Songtrust supports it. I’m hoping someone from Songtrust will jump in, but at first blush, I don’t see how you your situation is different than mine. Otherwise you’re potentially leaving 50% of your royalties on the table. I can’t remember the full extent of my client’s experience, but I do remember that he couldn’t get ahold of anyone for a week or so, and he was stressing because his release date was coming up. Songtrust exists to help you collect the money you’re owed, but you aren’t generating any yet. The tradeoff is it’s 15% commission vs 9% for CD Baby. Thanks again! I believe DistroKid allows for writer splits but they do not work with an admin publishing company to collect all of your composition royalties. I figured that since I’d earned a few hundred bucks from Spotify via CD Baby, the mechanical royalties Songtrust would collect for me would cover the cost of signing up. Your email address will not be published. And lastly, If i were to sign with SongTrust, is it possible to receive royalties via direct bank deposits/VISA from Africa? You do that directly with the library, for free. If you’ve racked up 150K streams of your music (across all platforms), you should probably join Songtrust. My guess is there’s no difference because they all use the same ContentID system through YouTube. In this particular case, it’s hard to see the downside of joining Songtrust if you stand to make money. This would also give you a little more autonomy in the industry. I’m not sure I’ve earned enough from those sources to compensate from the 15% taken directly from my ASCAP payment, but my life feels tidier knowing I’m not missing out on potential income. On a historical basis(2015-2018) 200-250k streams may be more likely to hit the $117.56 you need to recoup your $100 signup fee. The TAXI and Songhunters submission fees are more of a disincentive than anything, to stop people from sending in anything and everything. I might be wrong, but this seems to be the case. I don’t get it. Let me know if you have any trouble. Unless you’re getting a lot of streams, don’t expect those mechanical royalties to add up to much. I was pretty disappointed! You need a publishing administrator like Songtrust to collect it. Thanks so much for your help. Songtrust is saying they pay the writer directly, so I’m really confused what HFA’s involvement is and how they are holding the purse strings. I wasn’t attached to a PRO yet (am getting signed with ASCAP through SongTrust now) but moving forward should i register with the PRO first then import that into SongTrust to avoid that fee? But royalties never appear like magic. I use Songtrust and they only collect the Publisher's share of my royalties. My iTunes sales are down too. ), but it sounds to me like it’s just another way of saying you’re free to pitch your stuff for sync placements with whoever you want — Songtrust only handles administration. Also, would Songtrust collect from TikTok? If they were your songs, that wouldn’t be an issue. 1 Two forward one back it was for a bit, trying to get the ball rolling. Why Songtrust; Who Uses Songtrust. That was the plan. The key is, with Songtrust you’re entering into an exclusive publishing ADMINISTRATION deal. Songtrust and Adrev are in my mind as there’s no law in my country that protects you against copyrights infringement. You have a nice voice. The answer may be in earlier posts but I didn’t see it. I’ll reach out to Songtrust and see if they can comment. Until you partner with a musician and record some songs, you don’t need to worry about any of this stuff. Bug music for now, let’s take 030% of mixing/mastering songs can offer you need distribution include. We register your songs globally and collect on your behalf. I believe the PASSIVE-ST promo code is evergreen, unlike the early codes that expired after a certain number of uses. Yeah I’d be happy to shoot them an email at the same time you apply again, just let me know when you do it! I have read you telling a few people that they shouldn’t be in a rush to attain a publishing admin until they create a fan base and have actual royalties to collect internationally. Please clear my mind on that…. Is it if I gety radio play? As of August 2019, Songtrust has collected a total of $804 on my behalf. They are usually from Spotify but have gotten them from other companies. Imagine my shock when I logged in a few months later and saw a NEGATIVE BALANCE of $305.05!!!!!!!!! If you’re sure you’re going to keep releasing music, you might as well go ahead and join! When with CD Baby, they did this via Rumblefish. I am an artiste in Nigeria about to release my song. I get my Pandora money from SoundExchange. Here’s my input…..I already have a few singles (3 to be exact) that I released over the last 2 months (I’m new to the game), and I released them through CD Baby AND TuneCore. . I enjoy the freedom to let people use my music in their videos without hassle, and I can monitor usage of my music through my YouTube Studio dashboard. Thanks for the recommendation Nicole! I am confused by some of the items addressed in the comments though. Turns out it’s $36 per year if you want to be able to schedule your release dates — and who wouldn’t? I’ve been a BMI writer for over a decade, and have a publishing company registered there as well. Sorry to hear you’ve had so many problems. This is a complicated subject, as you’ve seen! I am now signed up with Songtrust. Most pay “zero” or .0004 etc. They are actually one of three mechanical licensing agencies in the US, alongside Music Reports (MRI) and MediaNet. Hi, Brian. ie the chicken or the egg, register demos with songtrust before applying to a record company, or wait till they say they want to work with me and then register my whole “catalogue” and for each track they want, change the info at songtrust to reflect new co-writers and where royalties go? And the song they are singing isn’t remotely like mine. Beyond the financial uncertainty, there’s also the psychological uncertainty. Hi Brian, great info on Songtrust – just what I needed to know and when I needed to know it. Brian Hazard is a recording artist with over twenty years of experience promoting eleven Color Theory albums, and head mastering engineer and owner of Resonance Mastering in Huntington Beach, California. Was planning on using Songtrust (and in the process join ASCAP so as to avoid creating a vanity publishing company), but just realized that this might not distribute as well. It sounds like you’ll make your investment back quickly, and be set for the long haul. Relieved to know my publishing company will [most likely] remain on my songs/catalog. What’s the difference in me going with Songtrust when I am using CD Baby Pro because aren’t they affiliated? Hi. Logging into ASCAP now, I see that my publishing company is listed, and Songtrust as an administrator. I understood that SongTrust collected royalties far beyond what a PRO would do, so I thought I needed to be with both. As for SoundCloud, I have no idea. If that is the case, does HFA take their 11.5% for licensing fees and Songtrust takes their 15% as well? If I already have a PRO ASCAP both for Writer Share and my own Publishing (ASCAP) (which I register all songs myself), Distrokid, and SoundExchange–why would I need something like SongTrust? I think people that are out-going enough can really make a difference. Are you okay with not knowing how much you could’ve received? Will Songtrust Be My Publisher? It’s too bad that your downloads dropped so dramatically, but that’s most certainly what happened (same with me). HFA is not a publishing administrator, they are a mechanical licensing agency which means they get paid by digital streaming platforms like Spotify and Apple Music to collect and account for mechanical royalties generated on those platforms. If so, their work is done. Transferring titles using our transfer tool does not affect your credit count. Obviously you’re going to only say good things about it. As you can see, Songtrust collected plenty for me that I wouldn’t have otherwise received. We will only 102 albums are’international standard and she’ll. Thanks Brian for all the information and responses to and from people on here. At present the royalties are paid out by market share but we hope to move this to a play by play basis as soon as possible(this is up to Facebook). Cd Baby conspired in 2010 to change my artist name and when I refused, they proceeded without my permission to change my artist name on several albums going back to early 1990’s. I’m not a label, but if I collaborate with 4 artists, I’ll end up paying the label tier. All writers have to be affiliated in order to receive their writer's share. It’s not CD Baby’s problem that you’re not selling downloads! If you browse through my articles, you’ll find plenty of lukewarm to mildly negative reviews with affiliate links. Wow, that doesn’t sound like them at all! The way I read your description is that your payments are indeed behind thanks to HFA, and your cancellation prompted Songtrust to turn the screws on them a bit. After that, they are redistributed to their members or blackboxed to cover operational costs. I’ll give it some time. To my knowledge, CD Baby and other Aggregators only allow for “1” account holder on a song & only provides that one Account Holder with revenue payments and sales data. You mentioned Songtrust and AdRev. Launched in 1914, ASCAP is … I didn’t think that was even possible! (Seeing as that is where i am from). I wouldn’t let that stop me. Okay, it’s a total mess. BMI, Broadcast Music, Inc. Do BMI and ASCAP have extra services like PRS, where they collect mechanical royalties? There’s a catch though: TuneCore requires that you work with them exclusively for licensing. I’m ASCAP Author, Artist, Producer, Publisher of WALKIN THRU THE PARK C Aristedes Philip DuVal, MR. MELODY TM. Just to clarify, what would SongTrust be collecting on my behalf that the 3 establishments (mentioned above) aren’t already collecting on? Cd Baby is a hero to many members but as far as I’m concerned I’m working closely with countless verifiable documents taken from CD Baby’s own emails spread out on a large desk in full view of another kind of PRO. If you’re already receiving both writer and publisher royalties from your PRO, and have less than 150K streams, the decision is more difficult. Did you know that each time your song is streamed, it generates a mechanical royalty that is not paid through your distributor? If you’re releasing and actively promoting your music, you need to be registered with a PRO and with SoundExchange. ; Creator Reps Managers and lawyers connect with the most extensive, accessible publishing network in the industry. Could you explain me this? I’m learning as I go. Feel free to advocate on my behalf. I’ve ended my contract with Tunecore and am in the procedss of transferring an a catalog of 80+ songs administered by Tunecore to Songtrust. The code has been granted 100 more uses! Don’t know how much that might influence them haha, but a good reference is better than no reference. How do you know they’re lyrics and not poems? If 10% of your streaming earnings is more than 15% of your publishing royalties, you’ll probably come out ahead with Songtrust. We are something like vevo. From Songtrust’s FAQ: Your account starts with 50 song credits for free. Your example puts Songtrust ahead regardless of the transfer fee. ; Businesses Get complete song performance insights and new ways to collect revenue. The 2% transfer fee is extortionate, considering money transfer services can do it for a fraction of that cost. Great article. Also worth noting that 150k streams is really from 2019 on, as this is when new rates are kicking in from the copyright royalty board decision. You can’t even specify a release date on their $20/year plan! Thanks for your time and look forward to your response. It WAS! I actually work at AVL Digital (CD Baby’s parent company) and after hearing horror stories from Tunecore customers and what I’ve learned about Distrokid from this thread, I can say I’m happy with how we handle our VIPs. ; Creator Reps Managers and lawyers connect with the most extensive, accessible publishing network in the industry. I wrote an article comparing Audiam and AdRev awhile back, and concluded the pennies aren’t worth the hassle. Why Songtrust; Who Uses Songtrust. So why would I go for Songtrust if it’s also exclusive? Next, they’ll register an unlimited number of songs with over 45 collection societies worldwide. Songtrust - Music Publishing Royalty Collection and Administration from ASCAP, BMI, SESAC, HFA, Music Reports and more. Is Songtrust a Performing Rights Organization (like ASCAP, BMI, SESAC)? I see two things that I seem to missing but I was hoping you could clarify. It’s still way too early to say “hey where’s my royalties”. Brian thanks for the article and the code. or Sound Exchange? I think how far they can go back depends on the PRO, but 6 months is almost certainly safe. Just when I become confident with my knowledge in one area, I move to another subject, only to find I didn’t know as much I thought I did. If for no other reason, search engine results. Thankyou Brian for shedding some light on the “publisher” thing on ASCAP. Personally, I’d rather pay once and be done with it. You have to dig in to find the information, but it is there. This, for me, is a deal breaker because I expect Songtrust to be passive, having so many other songwriters. This is tricky stuff. If I saw that a video using my music was getting millions of views, I might opt in through Songtrust for just that video. You can register with Sound-exchange ( for those niche digital performance royalties). Although I use Stem for distribution and song splits, I typically still register the song with Songtrust. I’m a member of the norwegian PRO Tono (www.tono.no). Judging from the comments, it appears the majority of your views on that song came from ads. I’ve “only” earned about $80 to date (on the writer share through ASCAP). Just signed up using the discount code. No conflict whatsoever. I am a BMI affiliate and I've entered my IPI correctly but its still not working. In fact, since Songtrust takes a 15% commission, that $467 would’ve been $549 directly through ASCAP. Just want to say Kudos to you sir. Tunecore spotify playlist : tunecore vs songtrust. Why is Songtrust Listed as My Publisher? I never got to be good at “social-media”. I always recommend CD Baby over TuneCore because you pay once and your album stays up forever. . I’ve tried to understand, but still not sure. should i sign up for songtrust? I believe that you collect mechanical royalties from YouTube through their ContentID system, which you can access through most distributors, or Songtrust. I think I want to join Songtrust for publishing admin. Why Songtrust; Who Uses Songtrust. Your music is good. I’ve got my publishing company registered with ASCAP and Songtrust. According to Songtrust, that’s approximately the point at which they collect enough on your behalf to cover the setup fee and commission. Songtrust provides worldwide publishing administration services to independent songwriters, publishers, labels with publishing arms, managers, lawyers, distributors, and anyone else representing compositions. Thank you for answering everybody’s questions and sharing your experience and knowledge. what about if you already with a p.r.o. Unless you mean TuneCore is handling digital distribution, and you also put it on the CD Baby store. I'm trying to add myself as a songwriter but its not allowing me to. The trade-off is that you’re giving up 15% (our commission) of your royalties in exchange for direct global registration to +50 pay sources with the convenience of only entering your song information once. To me you have a pretty good knowledge of the complex world of music publishing, licensing and royalties. They don’t do what Songtrust does. So yeah, I’m curious as to why they wouldn’t bring you on board. Creators Songwriters, producers and creators collect royalties globally from your songs while keeping 100 percent of the rights. All artists and musicians need to know how to earn money from their music. I don’t see why it would make any difference one way or the other, but it could very well be I’m missing something obvious! Songtrust look great but with 15% commission and a 2% fee to deposit funds seems a bit steep. It’s just odd that I always got paid once a year from cdbaby, going over 100 dollars including having many “downloads”. You only pay once and your release is up forever. Otherwise I’d be wondering if there was a pot of gold waiting for me at the end of the rainbow. I have them registered with BMI, and I also signed up with SoundExchange. I would think that someone that’s planning on submitting numerous tracks to music libraries would want to go with Distrokid, because if you’re banging out 1-2 tracks a week, that would really get costly with CD Baby and/or TuneCore. The breakdown is in the article. Royalties are only sent to you through work undertaken by a PRO to ensure that their members are getting paid. Also, do you know if I can use Songtrust for songs I’ve written for other people (My name is credited on PRO)? I asked for a refund. I’m pretty sure you can use Songtrust for songs you’ve written for others, but I’ll ask them to clarify. Your insight is amazing thanks a bunch! I wouldn’t worry about it. No, Songtrust is not a Performing Rights Organization (PRO). 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